Zeitgeist
by The Smashing Pumpkins
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  1. bardelby
    Sep 7, 2023
    10
    The forgotten Smashing Pumpkins album. Sad it was taken off though. never got to listen to it
  2. Ricko
    May 15, 2012
    8
    The first post Smashing Pumpkins, Smashing Pumpkins album. This got a very lukewarm reaction from both critics and fans but I think it's a really strong album. For me it's the 5th most enjoyable SP record but I would class the 4 I rate above it as some of the greatest rock albums of all time. Yes it's self-indulgent in parts and the production definitely leaves something to be desired.The first post Smashing Pumpkins, Smashing Pumpkins album. This got a very lukewarm reaction from both critics and fans but I think it's a really strong album. For me it's the 5th most enjoyable SP record but I would class the 4 I rate above it as some of the greatest rock albums of all time. Yes it's self-indulgent in parts and the production definitely leaves something to be desired. There are a few ordinary (Neverlost and Pomp and Circumstances spring to mind immediately) tracks on here that fail to add any value to the album but when you get down to it, more than half of the songs on the record are excellent. The musicianmanship from Corgan and Chamberlain is outstanding. There are a couple of tracks that came out as after Zeitgeist but around the same time that could have replaced the weaker tracks and pushed this record up a notch. Will be interesting to see what it's follow up Oceania will be like due out this year. Especially without the drum sound of Jimmy Chamberlain.… Expand
  3. 7dogguy
    Apr 13, 2012
    7
    this is the worst thing besides tear garden by them the band isnt even all together anymore the band members from back then put the soul of the smashing pumpkins into the smashing pumpkins this album is good however about 60% of the songs are either good or listenable this album is also heavier then most of there stuff its a good album but its lacking feeling that the old albums were about
  4. CalR
    Feb 19, 2012
    3
    It's just never comes together. The music sounds great, thunderous and roaring which is everything The Smashing Pumpkins comeback album should have been, but overproduction, juvenile lyrics and poor vocals cannot tie this together in the way it should. The second half of the album is easily the worst music the band has ever put out, with only 'Bleeding The Orchid' and '7 Shades of Black'It's just never comes together. The music sounds great, thunderous and roaring which is everything The Smashing Pumpkins comeback album should have been, but overproduction, juvenile lyrics and poor vocals cannot tie this together in the way it should. The second half of the album is easily the worst music the band has ever put out, with only 'Bleeding The Orchid' and '7 Shades of Black' retaining any of the latter Pumpkins talent. The rest sounds like another band trying to cover 'Gish' outtakes.… Expand
  5. spacecadet
    Jun 6, 2011
    5
    good enough album... doesnt reach the levels of smashing pumpkins... not even the same ball park... it sounds like a better zwan album... where is all the shoegazing? the loads of guitars? the sweet innocent lyrics? the whispering lulluby voice? or for that matter - the screeching voice (rat tat tat.... kaaaabooom!)
    this is not the smashing pumpkins... it's a good band.. but not as good as    good enough album... doesnt reach the levels of smashing pumpkins... not even the same ball park... it sounds like a better zwan album... where is all the shoegazing? the loads of guitars? the sweet innocent lyrics? the whispering lulluby voice? or for that matter - the screeching voice (rat tat tat.... kaaaabooom!)
    this is not the smashing pumpkins... it's a good band.. but not as good as the smashing pumpkins.
    after all that is said... i like it.. it's nice.. but ill take any other smashing album any time    … Collapse
  6. gruenjr
    May 23, 2011
    9
    A completely underrated album by the press and a lot of fans. "Zeitgeist" was THE perfect title for this album, atleast for this Pumpkins fan because I will remember that time, in part, for feeling plugged in with the band. It was an exciting year to listen to concert bootlegs, especially from their Paris reunion show, and it t all culminated with this album. "Doomsday," "7 Shades,"A completely underrated album by the press and a lot of fans. "Zeitgeist" was THE perfect title for this album, atleast for this Pumpkins fan because I will remember that time, in part, for feeling plugged in with the band. It was an exciting year to listen to concert bootlegs, especially from their Paris reunion show, and it t all culminated with this album. "Doomsday," "7 Shades," "United States," and "Neverlost" are all highlights.… Expand
  7. Vampire25
    Dec 30, 2010
    7
    Definitely not the best thing The Smashing Pumpkins have done. But Zeitgeist is sort of enjoyable. I've been a Smashing Pumpkins fan since forever. They are one of my favorite bands of all time. And Zeitgeist is a good album, but I do have a couple complaints about it. One, Billy Corgan's lyrics have always been nothing short of amazing. Especially in the album Adore. But this album, hisDefinitely not the best thing The Smashing Pumpkins have done. But Zeitgeist is sort of enjoyable. I've been a Smashing Pumpkins fan since forever. They are one of my favorite bands of all time. And Zeitgeist is a good album, but I do have a couple complaints about it. One, Billy Corgan's lyrics have always been nothing short of amazing. Especially in the album Adore. But this album, his lyrics are kind of stupid, I must admit. It sounds like he ran out of ideas so he just put something that rhymed. And two, some songs are just unnecessary. "Bleeding The Orchid", "Starz" and "For God And Country". Those tracks are just plain retarded. And maybe a couple more. But other than that, This is a rock and roll album that goes back to their early work. It sounds like a metal album. It is The Smashing Pumpkins heaviest album. Some great tracks are "United States" (best on the album), "Doomsday Clock" and "That's The Way (My Love Is)". All In All, Not Smashing Pumpkins greatest work by far, but still a worthy entry in their discography. B… Expand
  8. thisname
    Nov 11, 2010
    8
    Some songs are iffy but with the strength of the two powerful singles "Tarantula" and "That's The Way" followed by some great rock songs like "7 shades" and "Doomsday Clock", this album doesn't disappoint!
  9. pumpkinmate
    Nov 6, 2010
    4
    Zeitgeist is missing the emotion and originality of previous albums from the Smashing Pumpkins. Nothing feels new, its like a pre-packaged version of the band. And despite the title its the furtherest from the 'zeitgeist'/current attitudes that Billy Corgan has ever been. That being said, Smashing Pumpkins are a brilliant band usually and a Billy Corgan a defining songwriter of our generation
  10. Abe
    Jan 12, 2009
    8
    A Really Good Comeback!
  11. JonathanM.
    Dec 3, 2008
    8
    As good as this album is (by the way, the mixing is shocking), it might be good album, but remember this is the Smashing Pumpkins, not a dingle dangle dongle lets see how this goes album. The expectations of this album were naturally high.........I guess thats for some. The problem is, yes there is not James or Darcy. Well that is the problem. Of course Billy Corgan writes all the songs As good as this album is (by the way, the mixing is shocking), it might be good album, but remember this is the Smashing Pumpkins, not a dingle dangle dongle lets see how this goes album. The expectations of this album were naturally high.........I guess thats for some. The problem is, yes there is not James or Darcy. Well that is the problem. Of course Billy Corgan writes all the songs and records all the parts!! But he's not that guy from Nine Inch Nails (Trent Reznor) he still needs a band! James Iha contributed alot to the band and its noticable, no matter what the whinging pretentious Billy Corgan might say (and thats coming from a "fan" who understands him) Anyway.......better luck next time, its alright for a listen but after that.… Expand
  12. AmâmdioJ.
    Aug 29, 2008
    9
    This is a great album, I love smashing pumpkins and this has really great songs. Its god to see that Billy doesn't lost is talent. I recommend it.
  13. KaitarnD.
    Aug 24, 2008
    3
    Chicago's totally changed when Billy and his companions recorded the triad Gish-Siamese-Mellon Collie. I'm one of the class A fan. But i cannot give this album more than a chance. No more charming lyrics, no surprising change of a chord, nothing but a rock LP without ideas. Solo album was at least admirable for courage. This is crap.
  14. AntonioL.
    Apr 28, 2008
    10
    This album was amazing. It rocked as hard as anything they had ever done and was a great comeback. I love it!
  15. RoyO
    Apr 23, 2008
    8
    It's good, not mellon collie or siamese dream good but still.
  16. Jake
    Mar 12, 2008
    0
    For 7 long years I hoped and waited for a Pumpkins reunion, not a Billy and Jimmy reunion who picked up two hitchhikers. I find it hard to believe that a man who was the driving force behind some of the best records of the 90's (or all time for that matter) has come up with the trainwreck that is Zeitgeist. I waited for what seemed like forever to get this record, only to be beyond For 7 long years I hoped and waited for a Pumpkins reunion, not a Billy and Jimmy reunion who picked up two hitchhikers. I find it hard to believe that a man who was the driving force behind some of the best records of the 90's (or all time for that matter) has come up with the trainwreck that is Zeitgeist. I waited for what seemed like forever to get this record, only to be beyond disappointed. Every aspect of this record is overdone and watered down. But most disappointing is the songwriting. Billy seemed to have an endless supply of hooks which to pull from record after record. I can pretty much pick one killer lyric from any pre-Zeitgeist Pumpkins song yet hear is an entire album without one. It kills me to write this, it really does because I love The Pumpkins as much as anyone. In my mind they still broke up in 2001 and were never heard from again. For the girl who said they were 'awesome' live, you must have seen a different Smashing Pumpkins. I saw them and they were awful. I wanted a Pumpkin reunion as much as anybody but Billy really should have left the Pumpkins dead and buried.… Expand
  17. CorganR.
    Feb 15, 2008
    8
    This album is GREAT, however it still doesn't match up to some of their older albums such as Melloncollie. It's wonderful to see that the Smashing Pumpkins are back however I do wish the whole band came back instead of just Billy Corgan and Jimmy Chamberlin. Corgan's guitar playing was great in this album. From the creepy sounds of Turantula to the old school metal style in This album is GREAT, however it still doesn't match up to some of their older albums such as Melloncollie. It's wonderful to see that the Smashing Pumpkins are back however I do wish the whole band came back instead of just Billy Corgan and Jimmy Chamberlin. Corgan's guitar playing was great in this album. From the creepy sounds of Turantula to the old school metal style in Doomsday clock, he really astounded me with his playing. Also Jimmy Chamberlin was amazing on drums in songs such as United States. Basically, this was a really, really good comeback for the Pumpkins and hopefully we will see much more of them in the future!… Expand
  18. f4b
    Feb 3, 2008
    7
    Maybe Corgan is no more trendy for the critics, but this is a nice return with some very high moments. If you doubt Pumpkins are still good, see them live they are awesome!
  19. SlavaP.
    Jan 31, 2008
    10
    F*ck the "good old days"... Billy and Jimmy are back - angry and vigorous... Come on... Lets go...!!!
  20. PedroM
    Jan 26, 2008
    5
    An equal of good and unappealing stuff. It will NEVER be another Siamise and Mellon Collie but it has some good stuff. Just another case of mid-age rockers trying to find their "steam" after 7 long years of zip. A 50/50 album: Not their worst but not their best.
  21. RobertC.
    Dec 15, 2007
    10
    A lot has changed since Billy, James, D'arcy, and Jimmy went their separate ways. But it is great to hear at least two of them back together in the present, playing live shows to bring back the good music of the 90's and early 2000's, but also bringing us something new and fresh to the present. This album was incredible and fresh for the Pumpkins. I can't wait for their next.
  22. MaxM.
    Oct 29, 2007
    8
    I'm a very poor fan of heavy metal, but this is actually a very good album. I really enjoyed the guitar. It's a bit of a change from Smashing Pumpkins previous work.
  23. Dipleasedjerk
    Oct 17, 2007
    1
    Where is James and Darcy? Corgin needs these limiters to keep his direction focused. Overall, this album sounds like a pitiful attempt from Corgin to prove himself, when he has already done this. Instead, he listens to a "hard rock" producer and tries and fails and politic rock. If you have fallen in love with earlier SP and their inward music than don't go and drown yourself in this Where is James and Darcy? Corgin needs these limiters to keep his direction focused. Overall, this album sounds like a pitiful attempt from Corgin to prove himself, when he has already done this. Instead, he listens to a "hard rock" producer and tries and fails and politic rock. If you have fallen in love with earlier SP and their inward music than don't go and drown yourself in this disappointing buzz.… Expand
  24. sdjones
    Oct 13, 2007
    8
    I guess critics are tired of grunge, post-grunge and probably Billy Corgan. I have to admit I was pretty tired of his raspy croak myself. However, Zietgiest rocks and it rocks hard. I was pleasantly impressed by how solid this is!
  25. BrianP.
    Oct 11, 2007
    8
    Zeitgeist has a hypnotic spinning to it that drives me to keep listening for things I might of not caught the first time. It's hard work and hard sound should be considered for bringing Alternative Music back into the late 2000's. It's still the Pumpkins because they are influencing and rule breaking the current lull of cheep money making pop sound today. . .
  26. Noelg.
    Oct 3, 2007
    0
    This is not the album that was promised, where's James and Darcy? Billy Corgan is an honest kind of guy, but are the other two that bad?? Or is Billy just a moody little man? I don't know, sure its loud and rocks, but it sounds like total rubbish, and is mixed something awful, where the heak is the record that we were all promised. Where are the songs? We don't need a long This is not the album that was promised, where's James and Darcy? Billy Corgan is an honest kind of guy, but are the other two that bad?? Or is Billy just a moody little man? I don't know, sure its loud and rocks, but it sounds like total rubbish, and is mixed something awful, where the heak is the record that we were all promised. Where are the songs? We don't need a long 12 tracks of one droning composition (Much like Gavin Rossdales Institute!!) I hope the next ones better, and the rest of the band pull their weight!!… Expand
  27. GeoffW.
    Sep 29, 2007
    10
    Very solid and competent return from the Pumpkins.
  28. GeraldP.
    Sep 19, 2007
    10
    LOL this album came out in June and hasn't left my car since.. Its a great rock and roll CD. Best album from the pumpkins since adore.
  29. MarkW.
    Sep 18, 2007
    10
    Album of the year.
  30. JonathanOfthetimes
    Sep 16, 2007
    0
    (Sigh) I just wish people would learn how to mix albums. I know I may not like some albums direction (in sound) but I can appreciate it, and believe me, it makes a difference if you have an outside producer and mixer do the entire record. And not someone from the band, believe me I've noticed it. And this album suffers from it massively. It sounds unbalanced and all over the place. (Sigh) I just wish people would learn how to mix albums. I know I may not like some albums direction (in sound) but I can appreciate it, and believe me, it makes a difference if you have an outside producer and mixer do the entire record. And not someone from the band, believe me I've noticed it. And this album suffers from it massively. It sounds unbalanced and all over the place. Billy Corgans vocals are up way to high in the mix, buzzing away in your head. It gets tiring, and after the first listen its obvious that this is not the album people wanted to here. The thing that annoys me is how bad some bands are getting, I can appreciate bands getting worse out better now, I'm used to it. The only band I have some faith in now is "Our Lady Peace" at least their records aren't bland.… Expand
  31. NickK.
    Sep 8, 2007
    7
    I agree the vocal mixing (and clarity in general) is something of an issue here. Likewise, the lack of diversity which characterized Mellon Collie, Siamese Dream etc. does make this less rewarding listening (maybe I'm getting old, but my ears tired of the same sound/dynamics across the first 11 tracks). Essentially, it sounds to me like a couple of kids who have set up a drum kit and I agree the vocal mixing (and clarity in general) is something of an issue here. Likewise, the lack of diversity which characterized Mellon Collie, Siamese Dream etc. does make this less rewarding listening (maybe I'm getting old, but my ears tired of the same sound/dynamics across the first 11 tracks). Essentially, it sounds to me like a couple of kids who have set up a drum kit and a nasty guitar rig in their garage, and are having a ball rocking out themselves, perhaps at the expense of other listeners. The exception here, and the reason I gave it a 7, was that it's Billy Corgan and Jimmy Chamberlain playing, two of the best rock musicians of the last 20 years, so it still makes impressive listening. It's clearly an album written by a guitarist and a drummer, but very talented ones, so it has its moments.… Expand
  32. CallumR.
    Aug 28, 2007
    10
    They are back and its great to have them! Bleeding The Orchid should change anyones mind who has written them off due to the line up!
  33. Arin
    Aug 24, 2007
    5
    Honestly, this album would be a terrific freshman release. Feels deflated and humdrum, compared to the songwriting brilliance and dynamic brilliance of Dream and even Melloncollie... Very much feels like SP, but without the 'fist in the air' 'careening off the road' adolescence that made the older stuff so much better. It's just ok.
  34. MikeL
    Aug 23, 2007
    9
    People are so damn obsessed with who the line-up is and other petty crap, that they forget to listen to the actual album. Can we please for five minutes forget about Iha and Darcy, and just listen to some music? This album is great, and it truly rocks out. No one else is doing this kind of music right now, and it's a refreshing change of pace from both the Pumpkin's previous People are so damn obsessed with who the line-up is and other petty crap, that they forget to listen to the actual album. Can we please for five minutes forget about Iha and Darcy, and just listen to some music? This album is great, and it truly rocks out. No one else is doing this kind of music right now, and it's a refreshing change of pace from both the Pumpkin's previous material and from what their contemporaries are doing. Quit crying and learn to rock.… Expand
  35. anthonyc
    Aug 22, 2007
    1
    utter crap.
  36. MattC
    Aug 22, 2007
    9
    Very, very good album(CD). A smashing Rock rerturn as most of the songs on the CD are Rock driven. I imagine that future efforts will incorporate more of their slower material. If you want some good guitar work and blasting drums, this is a good one for you!
  37. qwertyuiopm
    Aug 17, 2007
    7
    i would have liked it better if they didnt mix it like a high school musical cd. i appreciate every part of a song and it would be nice i i could hear it all as well. on another note, the lyrics are good, and most of the songs are well structured.
  38. honesto
    Aug 16, 2007
    9
    A very welcome comeback. Great guitar riffs. Grabs you by the balls from the opening of Doomsday Clock and just doesn't let up.
  39. scottw
    Aug 15, 2007
    7
    Fun, heavey, fast and very smashing. If your a fane of the old stuff, you are bound to injoy this album.
  40. SethE
    Aug 14, 2007
    10
    This ablum stands alone as some of the best work TSP has done yet todate, I hope there is more to come :)
  41. DerekD
    Aug 13, 2007
    8
    I love a lot of tracks on this album, it stays pretty true to the classic smashing pumpkins and with only a couple of bad tracks you can't really complain with this album.
  42. steveb
    Aug 12, 2007
    8
    Zeitgeist is a great rock album, and Billy Corgan has updated the pumpkins sound. Billy doesnt need James Iha, since Billy wrote EVERYTHING anyways, and the songs Iha did write(except for co writing mayonaise)sucked. Badly. I mean come on people! If you do not feel the same way, then you werent a pumpkin fan to begin with. This album is not going to win over people who didnt like the Zeitgeist is a great rock album, and Billy Corgan has updated the pumpkins sound. Billy doesnt need James Iha, since Billy wrote EVERYTHING anyways, and the songs Iha did write(except for co writing mayonaise)sucked. Badly. I mean come on people! If you do not feel the same way, then you werent a pumpkin fan to begin with. This album is not going to win over people who didnt like the pumpkins anyways, but In my opinion, the loud rock is what they did best. And dont forget that Billy wrote EVERYTHING that was good about the pumpkins. Also, even though no one really mentions it, Jimmy's drums are awesome on this record, probably his best performance on a pumpkins record. All you people who say it isnt like it was, stop living in the past! I mean, if the beatles wrote revolver 15 times it would have gotten boring! Their later stuff was way better anyways, but hey, Sgt. Peppers got bad reviews too!… Expand
  43. MarcyC
    Aug 10, 2007
    10
    The best band album since siamese dream!
  44. LukeN
    Aug 9, 2007
    9
    Most of you guys and the critics are being way harsh on this album. I personaly think it's amazing and a major kick in the butt to all other bands our right now trying to make good rock music. Billy has come back and showed them how it's done. Serously, in the song Tarantula, when he breaks out with those crazy guitar sounds before it slows up for a bit, that is real rock and Most of you guys and the critics are being way harsh on this album. I personaly think it's amazing and a major kick in the butt to all other bands our right now trying to make good rock music. Billy has come back and showed them how it's done. Serously, in the song Tarantula, when he breaks out with those crazy guitar sounds before it slows up for a bit, that is real rock and roll. Nobody else does that anymore. Billy Corgan has not let me down yet. I'm not sure how I would have gotten through my highschool years without siamese dream and Melancholy and this is just what I needed at this point in my life. The only thing keeping it from being a 10 is the last song doesn't give me goosbumps like everything else. Can't wait to hear the next record.… Expand
  45. CP
    Aug 9, 2007
    6
    I don't care who wrote the album, played the parts and the politics surrounding it. Based on the music itself, I find it a satisfying album. If the heavier songs are "modern rock", it's far better than the current understudies are producing. A point deduction for Billy feeling the need to tell me he's found Jesus again in no less than two songs. Don't care. Otherwise, I don't care who wrote the album, played the parts and the politics surrounding it. Based on the music itself, I find it a satisfying album. If the heavier songs are "modern rock", it's far better than the current understudies are producing. A point deduction for Billy feeling the need to tell me he's found Jesus again in no less than two songs. Don't care. Otherwise, decent album with the second half of United States standing out especially.… Expand
  46. BobbyM
    Aug 3, 2007
    10
    sure its a little different from the older smashing pumpkins, but wouldnt it be every boring if they kept playing the same stuff? This is one solid rock album.
  47. GregL
    Aug 2, 2007
    2
    What happened to the Smashing Pumpkins? This is one of the worst cds I have ever heard. Gish and Siamese Dream were raw, innovative, spine tingling. They were albums that helped shape my mind in times of some bad relationships, and my lost 20 something, gen x punk mentality, while growing into manhood. Corgan was really trying in the 90s. Heart and soul, with everything he had. He was out What happened to the Smashing Pumpkins? This is one of the worst cds I have ever heard. Gish and Siamese Dream were raw, innovative, spine tingling. They were albums that helped shape my mind in times of some bad relationships, and my lost 20 something, gen x punk mentality, while growing into manhood. Corgan was really trying in the 90s. Heart and soul, with everything he had. He was out to prove how good he could be, and he succeeded 3 fold. Not this time. He doesn't even come out of the3 creative box. Zeitgesit is uncreative, nonexciting and dull, except forTarantulla. The guitar and drums sound great, except for sounding the same on every single song. Lost is the Corgan rule of mixing up the sound of each song to stiffle a listeners boredom. The worst part however is the vocals. Which is shocking to me. Billy Corgan's vocals have always been over the top in the diversity of notes and range of pitch that he is able to hit. Like a runaway freight train sliding over glass. He doesn't do it here at all. 2 tones and pitches max. Droning, boring vocals with lyrics that he must have had Michael Bolton write for him. Just lame. What a dissapointment. He should listen to his old stuff because oviously forgot what he can do.… Expand
  48. ElT
    Aug 2, 2007
    6
    It's got good and crap stuff in almost equal measure, and it's disappointing given the SP legacy. Brendan D: nobody cares what you think
  49. AaronB
    Aug 1, 2007
    8
    After 7 years Billy Corgan seems to have forgot the formula to making a great music but his lyrics still rock!
  50. BrendanD
    Jul 31, 2007
    0
    Okay, you're probably wondering, "Gee, Brendan, you've never given an album a 0 before. What gives?" And no, I'm not basing my review on the music. There are few artists surviving today about whom I cannot be at the very least unbiased in my reviews, if not in my fandom (I'm a fan, for example, of Sinead O'Connor, but I'd easily admit that her latest album is Okay, you're probably wondering, "Gee, Brendan, you've never given an album a 0 before. What gives?" And no, I'm not basing my review on the music. There are few artists surviving today about whom I cannot be at the very least unbiased in my reviews, if not in my fandom (I'm a fan, for example, of Sinead O'Connor, but I'd easily admit that her latest album is not her A-game). I cannot, however, be unbiased when it comes to the band with which I grew up and grew my musical testicles. I was in fifth grade when "Mellon Collie & the Infinite Sadness" came out, and I never felt more at home than riding in my mom's '92 Honda Accord and listening to "1979" on my CD player whilst driving from Chicago to Cleveland (or wherever else we might be going). Billy Corgan was my hero, my savior, and when he wailed, "God is empty, just like me," my prepubescent soul wailed with him and understood him. Later years taught me that it was never really The Smashing Pumpkins: The Band, but rather Billy & the Pumpkins, a creative popster and three hired goons. But if Billy was such a genius, why couldn't he make Zwan work, and why wasn't his solo record really worth a hill of monkey crap? I bought the Mythos of Billy Corgan, however, and when I opened up my copy of the Chicago Tribune the day "The Future Embrace" was released, I saw Billy proclaiming, "I want my band back." And I was excited. Of course, I presumed that by "I want my band back," Billy meant the actual band, not the brand-name "The Smashing Pumpkins(R)." And frankly, that's all "Zeitgeist" is -- it's Macy's, as opposed to (insert local clothing supergiant here), or Wal-Mart, as opposed to (insert local general store here). Musically, there is little difference between "Zeitgeist" and Zwan's "Mary, Star of the Sea." We've heard this all before, and it doesn't sound as rewarding as it did ten or fifteen years ago. What once made Billy sound like a true Zeitgeist now makes him sound like a dated, aging hipster, his teen angst now seeming trite coming out of the mouth of a 40-year-old. I know Billy. Not personally, but I know him. I'm an Irish-Catholic kid born on St. Patrick's Day in Chicago, too. Swear to God. And I get his Pisces Iscariot mentality. But you know what? We've all got to grow up sometime. Despite the steaming pile of cat genitals that was "The Future Embrace," it showed a step forward from Zwan, that Billy was willing to try something different. Even if that different thing wasn't so good, there were moments of promise that made his solo effort, if nothing else, endearing. Now, he's not trying; he just wants to be a superstar again. In the process, he's turned the legacy of the Smashing Pumpkins into a mere footnote, reviving the brand name simply for sh*ts and giggles. And for that, there will be no mercy and no forgiveness. A zero rating just about approximates that.… Expand
  51. YanM
    Jul 31, 2007
    9
    I think that the media are going nut with their review. they got something against corgan its clear. This album is the best Pumpkins material I have heard since Siamease Dream.
  52. MattD
    Jul 27, 2007
    8
    If you listen to Zeitgeist as a collection of songs, and ignore the lineup changes, expectations, etc that seem to be at the forefront of discussion regarding the album, it's a good cd. There are a few songs that are grating and pretentious but overall the music is rich, aggressive, and unique.
  53. StickieP
    Jul 23, 2007
    3
    A total disappointment. It lacks the emotion and depth of the earlier SP albums and sounds tired and dated.
  54. JeffO
    Jul 23, 2007
    8
    I had to listen several times before the hooks caught on and the feeling sunk in. On my first listen I wasnt sure... After a few more listens, my opinion changed dramatically. While this album does contain 2 of the worst songs billy may ever write, it also contains some of the most infectious songs of the year. Worth every penny for Tarantula, Doomsday, Neverlost, Thats the way, and Bring I had to listen several times before the hooks caught on and the feeling sunk in. On my first listen I wasnt sure... After a few more listens, my opinion changed dramatically. While this album does contain 2 of the worst songs billy may ever write, it also contains some of the most infectious songs of the year. Worth every penny for Tarantula, Doomsday, Neverlost, Thats the way, and Bring the Light. However, DO NOT give pomp and Circumstance or United States a 2nd chance they sound aweful every time. WELCOME BACK BILLY AND JIMMY!!!! I MISSED YOU GUYS!!!… Expand
  55. jonnyj
    Jul 21, 2007
    10
    billy was always the song writer.
  56. Elig
    Jul 21, 2007
    10
    excellent cd, great tunes was definetely a good purchase
  57. jeffrey
    Jul 21, 2007
    5
    I made the large mistake of wanting to love this album and should have known if will never reach the pinacle of before. I feel like billy is caught in between trying to please himself and his fans of old. This in turn produces what has turned out to be a very medieocre record that has a distinct heavier side to it, but nothing new and inspiring that you would expect from billy like he I made the large mistake of wanting to love this album and should have known if will never reach the pinacle of before. I feel like billy is caught in between trying to please himself and his fans of old. This in turn produces what has turned out to be a very medieocre record that has a distinct heavier side to it, but nothing new and inspiring that you would expect from billy like he gave us in machina and ava adore....not to mention his solo album (which I quite liked) 3 of the 5 points go towards that hot new bassist....damn!… Expand
  58. MInh
    Jul 20, 2007
    5
    I've been a pumpkin fan since 1992 and I've grown weary of Corgan's attempt to be "great" again. This album sounds like Zero b-sides part 2 extended special edition except the mix is worse. What is up with the mix? The vocals are in your face double tracked to hell and the guitars/drums/bass are compressed afterthought. What happened Billy? Now go back and listen to Zwan I've been a pumpkin fan since 1992 and I've grown weary of Corgan's attempt to be "great" again. This album sounds like Zero b-sides part 2 extended special edition except the mix is worse. What is up with the mix? The vocals are in your face double tracked to hell and the guitars/drums/bass are compressed afterthought. What happened Billy? Now go back and listen to Zwan and ask yourself what sounds more like the "pumpkins".… Expand
  59. MarthaReprise
    Jul 19, 2007
    10
    love
  60. rogergillss
    Jul 19, 2007
    10
    perfect!
  61. christianw
    Jul 19, 2007
    7
    This album is better than Machina and Adore but not as good as Gish, SD and MCATIS. The former two had that electro-clatter that stripped the music of soul and that wonderful organis cound they had. Fortunately the organic sound is back. CAN YOU GET YOUR HEAD AROUND THAT, WAYNE B???
  62. SSE
    Jul 19, 2007
    10
    Because Billy doesn't have james and d'arcy everyones gonna moan that its not the pumpkins which i don't understand cause billy pretty much did everything! This is a solid album and I think it's one of the best albums of the year along with Year Zero and its a hell of a lot better then the "music" thats doing the MTV circuit these days....
  63. jasonl
    Jul 19, 2007
    10
    This is the best Pumpkin's cd yet.
  64. JorgeS
    Jul 19, 2007
    8
    One of the best albums of the year. Zeitgeist contains the best of the smashing pumpkins first era. Enjoyable & necessary for this bad times of music.
  65. WayneB.
    Jul 18, 2007
    5
    Bla, bla, bla! "This album is better than Adore or Machina." That is simply not true. If your favorite cut on gish was "I am one" and you hated "Rhinoceros;" if your favorite cut on on Siamese Dream was "Silverfuck" and you hated "Disarm" or "Mayonnaise;" or if you you always skipped over "Tonight Tonight" on Mellon Collie and went straight to "Zero" then maybe I could see why one might Bla, bla, bla! "This album is better than Adore or Machina." That is simply not true. If your favorite cut on gish was "I am one" and you hated "Rhinoceros;" if your favorite cut on on Siamese Dream was "Silverfuck" and you hated "Disarm" or "Mayonnaise;" or if you you always skipped over "Tonight Tonight" on Mellon Collie and went straight to "Zero" then maybe I could see why one might think that this album is better than Adore or Machina. Now I love "I am One" and "Zero" as much as anyone. But the genius and true beauty of the first three Pumpkin Albums was how they captured the full gamut of human emotions: Happy, sad, mellow, angry, and well melancholy. Look, Pumpkins were one of the only 90's alternative band to write several straight up love songs. Now we just have Billy singing his 'I'm not angry anymore' message of Zwan over music (and with a record cover) that makes expext the most aggressive album to date. It all seems a little bit contrived and a tad bit irrelevant (especially for an album named Zeitgeist). But I still give it a 5 because Billy is still my favorite song writer to come out of the last 20years and one can still hear traces of that genius here.… Expand
  66. AsdfQwerty
    Jul 18, 2007
    0
    Billy corgan ruined the Smashing Pumpkins. Sad, but true
  67. RazzaA
    Jul 18, 2007
    7
    I think this album gets rather harsh criticism. First off, all the talk about the smashing pumpkins name and whether this album is a smashing pumpkins album or not is irrelevant, It is billy corgan who is making the music so it doesnt matter what you call it still the same guy making the music. And whether he puts out 3,4 or six different versions who cares? Ofcourse he wants to earn a I think this album gets rather harsh criticism. First off, all the talk about the smashing pumpkins name and whether this album is a smashing pumpkins album or not is irrelevant, It is billy corgan who is making the music so it doesnt matter what you call it still the same guy making the music. And whether he puts out 3,4 or six different versions who cares? Ofcourse he wants to earn a lot of money, who wouldn't. The second you put in the cd you recognize it as pumpkins music, the mixing is ok. Billy never could sing and he still can't. If you don't like his voice, why listen to smashing pumpkins? His tunefulness with his voice is still there. All in all, the music is ok, especially for pumpkins fans. I think it would have been wiser to put the 3 bonus tracks on the cd as well cause these are actually 3 of the strongest songs he wrote up recently. That's my only critic: why didnt they put out the 15 songs on all versions? Now there is little variation in the songs: they all rock, but i really miss the nice, more peaceful slower songs.....this gets a 7, the 15 tracks are an eight. It is alot better than other recent stuff. Enjoy and otherwise just chill and live on, its just a CD........... Try it and en… Expand
  68. NickE
    Jul 18, 2007
    7
    Surprisingly good. I'd say this is better than Adore and Machina, but worse than Mellon Collie or Siamese Dream. It's kind of a return to the style of their earlier albums: a mix of very heavy songs and soft ballad-y songs, and less preoccupied with writing poppy, catchy melodies. For me, the heavy songs really work, and the softer songs are duds. Nonetheless, I have to applaud Surprisingly good. I'd say this is better than Adore and Machina, but worse than Mellon Collie or Siamese Dream. It's kind of a return to the style of their earlier albums: a mix of very heavy songs and soft ballad-y songs, and less preoccupied with writing poppy, catchy melodies. For me, the heavy songs really work, and the softer songs are duds. Nonetheless, I have to applaud them for avoiding the temptation to make a safe, innocuous record. If you're a fan this is worth picking up.… Expand
  69. JoshM.
    Jul 17, 2007
    9
    Album has more melody then anything ive heard in 7 years... have you heard any music that has been produced recently??? As far as the mixing goes listen to it again you fucks
  70. johnm
    Jul 17, 2007
    8
    Zeitgeist certainly offers a different kind of sound from older Pumpkins music. Nevertheless, Corgan and Chanberlain are quite successful in this new style of music. The more I hear the songs on this album, the more I like it. It's no Melancholy, but the album still rocks.
  71. UderD.e
    Jul 17, 2007
    0
    laaaaaaaaaaaame, it clips!
  72. robg.
    Jul 16, 2007
    9
    As a fan since 1994, i'm thoroughly happy. The band is growing and evolving unlike the majority of their peers. Still able to create albums unique from the others that are prevalent and relevant
  73. IL
    Jul 16, 2007
    8
    The Pumpkins are right back where they started with Gish, discovering (or rediscovering, as the case is with Zeitgeist) what sound they are trying to create etc. If this turns out to be true, the next Pumpkin album will be great. But maybe I'm just too optimistic ;-)
  74. EricR.
    Jul 16, 2007
    8
    Better than any album I've hear in a long time. Compared to their previous recordings I would say not as good as Gish, SD, or Mellon Collie, but better than Adore or Machina.
  75. AndyC
    Jul 16, 2007
    8
    Impossible to judge a pumpkins album without listening to it for about 5 years. They all come good in the end. Having said that I've listened through about 3 times and it's still brill.
  76. laura
    Jul 16, 2007
    7
    Not their best ever album, but a solid work, and a promising return to music.
  77. StimpyC.
    Jul 15, 2007
    3
    This album starts with promise with it great driving guitars and drums that the pumpkins do so well, but after a few tracks they all meld into one and become nothing more than small pop styled melodies. When I first heard Gish I could sit back and have songs flowing though my head afterwards. Same with Siamese Dream and then with Melancholy. But this has no great riffs, no hooks and no This album starts with promise with it great driving guitars and drums that the pumpkins do so well, but after a few tracks they all meld into one and become nothing more than small pop styled melodies. When I first heard Gish I could sit back and have songs flowing though my head afterwards. Same with Siamese Dream and then with Melancholy. But this has no great riffs, no hooks and no memorable moments. All I felt was that it was Billy back to his navel gazing self introspective ways. This isn't the Pumpkins, just a album with the Pumpkins name on it. He should have stuck with Zwan, they actually made good music.… Expand
  78. nickc.
    Jul 15, 2007
    5
    As a long time pumpkins fan, 13 years to be precise, I had mixed feelings about a new album. My suspicions were confirmed when i heard "Tarantula" online, featuring Billy's blaring voice completely overshadowing the music. And after hearing the whole album, that is certainly its biggest flaw--production and mixing. Its mixed like Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance and Green Day. In As a long time pumpkins fan, 13 years to be precise, I had mixed feelings about a new album. My suspicions were confirmed when i heard "Tarantula" online, featuring Billy's blaring voice completely overshadowing the music. And after hearing the whole album, that is certainly its biggest flaw--production and mixing. Its mixed like Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance and Green Day. In other words, it sounds like shit--stream-lined and radio-friendly. Corgans vocals, once sublty complimenting the music, are ridiculously too loud, detracting from the music itself. Producers Terry Date and Roy Thomas Baker are inevitably overshadowed by Corgan, who co-produced the album, and is probably responsible itr's crappish sound. The long and short of it this: it rocks more than Machina, but the song-writing is not as good. The first six songs on Zeitgeist are actually pretty awesome, but it's all down hill from there (with the exception of the beautiful, minimalistic "Neverlost"). "Pomp and Circumstance" is probably the worst song Billy has ever written, the worst in the entire pumpkins catalogue. So my reccomendation is this: Listen to the first six tracks of the album and then stop! **Tracks 1-6: 7/10** **Tracks 7-12: (excluding "Neverlost") 2/10**… Expand
  79. AnthonyC.
    Jul 15, 2007
    3
    The mix is awful. Corgan's vocals NEVER need to be pushed up to the front and the guitars sound muddy with zero definition in the distortion. On top of this, the songs all sound the same. Nothing even half as beautiful or well-written as Soma or Tonight, Tonight or Hummer. Nothing as powerful as Bodies. Nothing as interesting as Love or Silverfuck. It's just utter blandness in The mix is awful. Corgan's vocals NEVER need to be pushed up to the front and the guitars sound muddy with zero definition in the distortion. On top of this, the songs all sound the same. Nothing even half as beautiful or well-written as Soma or Tonight, Tonight or Hummer. Nothing as powerful as Bodies. Nothing as interesting as Love or Silverfuck. It's just utter blandness in the form of a paint-by-numbers commercial rock album. Incredibly disappointing but hardly unexpected.… Expand
  80. TalonP.
    Jul 15, 2007
    10
    An awesome, almost perfect album, receiving the same critical abuse as every other Pumpkins record ever released. Exploring new production techniques is as interesting as their exploration of new musical territory. Production in rock music has become stale and standardized; this is a break from that cement concept, which is good to hear, if a little odd at first listen. This album has An awesome, almost perfect album, receiving the same critical abuse as every other Pumpkins record ever released. Exploring new production techniques is as interesting as their exploration of new musical territory. Production in rock music has become stale and standardized; this is a break from that cement concept, which is good to hear, if a little odd at first listen. This album has captivated me entirely; the fact that NME doesn't like it (or more likely doesn't like Billy) makes not the slightest shade of difference to me. I pity those who take anothers' opinions as their own - especially taking them from the music press; the same press that has dogged pretty much all of the greatest bands and albums of all time. It is all just subjective opinion. Why not make up your own mind and stop reading reviews? Including this one.… Expand
  81. RobertP.
    Jul 15, 2007
    9
    not the best of sp but still another production of musical genius by one of the greatest.
  82. rogerc.
    Jul 14, 2007
    10
    amazing!
  83. JustinD.
    Jul 14, 2007
    9
    I did not expect to love this album, but as a someone who came up with 90s rock, it provides nostalgia and relevancy if that is possible. It's obvious that if the Pumpkins had made this album as a follow up to Melancollie, there wouldn't be any doubt to the group's greatness, but it came ten years too late for the "experts."
  84. joeh.
    Jul 13, 2007
    9
    This is a very solid album. Having heard the majority of their work, I would tie this with Siamese Dream as their second-best album. Their are a variety of quality singles (tarantula,doomsday clock,thats the way), and the depth of the material is quite solid as well. Their only shortcoming is that some songs seem lacking in terms of ornamentation, i.e. you hear only the guitar and drums This is a very solid album. Having heard the majority of their work, I would tie this with Siamese Dream as their second-best album. Their are a variety of quality singles (tarantula,doomsday clock,thats the way), and the depth of the material is quite solid as well. Their only shortcoming is that some songs seem lacking in terms of ornamentation, i.e. you hear only the guitar and drums and little support from other instruments to fill the gaps. Other than these small issues, it's a triumphant return!… Expand
  85. spfission
    Jul 13, 2007
    8
    Billy once again proves that he does not need to live off his past hits. He continues to evolve as an artist which is very rare in this day. Zeitgeist will prove to be a classic. Solid Album.
  86. DG
    Jul 13, 2007
    4
    Good God. Seriously, if this is the best they can come up with, then they shouldn't bother. Not worthy of the Pumpkin name, and given some of the crap they put out at the end (MACHINA 1, I'm looking at you) that's saying something.
  87. AnthonyS.
    Jul 13, 2007
    9
    I really enjoy this album. It isn't a classic album like siamese melon collie, or gish, but it is both better than anything since and such a refreshingly good album in this day and age of dead mainstream rock. It is signature pumpkins music, albeit the harder edge of their leanings, but there is a good poppy song or 2 for you 1979 folks, as well as the seemingly unavoidable I really enjoy this album. It isn't a classic album like siamese melon collie, or gish, but it is both better than anything since and such a refreshingly good album in this day and age of dead mainstream rock. It is signature pumpkins music, albeit the harder edge of their leanings, but there is a good poppy song or 2 for you 1979 folks, as well as the seemingly unavoidable appearance of a bland billy C love song, which occur on most all pumpkins records. Jimmy bangs the hell out of the drums, and Corgan melts faces on the guitar. His voice has thankfully remained strong. The howling "Owwww!!" in the 10 minute "United States" sums up my feelings pretty well about this album. A Refreshing Blast of badly missed Pumpkins energy. Bring on more SP albums!!… Expand
  88. markb.
    Jul 13, 2007
    10
    The Album of the year!
  89. NB
    Jul 12, 2007
    3
    hardly listenable. really sounds nothing like the Pumpkins. overproduced to a point that everything blends together without any definition to the instruments or vocals. overall bland and tasteless, like generic mac and cheese.
  90. Arthur
    Jul 12, 2007
    8
    Don't believe the critics! Zeitgeist is a great album. Don't get me wrong, I'm not just some biased Billy Corgan/Pumpkins fan; I hated his solo album and thought Zwan was a real disappointment.
  91. justwonderful
    Jul 12, 2007
    10
    At first I despised this album. I was convinced Billy Corgan was a greedy, egotistical jerk who lost his touch. However, I kept listening to Zeitgeist. On the second listen, I thought it was simply mediocre... by the third, I was thinking it was average... by the fourth or fifth, I adored it completely. It's one of those "listen-more-love-it-more". Don't listen once and decide At first I despised this album. I was convinced Billy Corgan was a greedy, egotistical jerk who lost his touch. However, I kept listening to Zeitgeist. On the second listen, I thought it was simply mediocre... by the third, I was thinking it was average... by the fourth or fifth, I adored it completely. It's one of those "listen-more-love-it-more". Don't listen once and decide it's a travesty. Because it's not, it's genius. Personally, I think Zeitgeist is one of their best. It's honestly the only Pumpkins disc I can listen to the whole way through, without skipping tracks, because every single track has its own beauty.… Expand
  92. gabrield.
    Jul 12, 2007
    4
    This album sounds like it was recorded in the restroom or something.
  93. NeilS
    Jul 12, 2007
    6
    I'm hopeful that this is is the working the kinks out of a new lineup and the next record will take the music further. So far the only two tracks that really stands out to me are That's the Way (My Love Is), Starz, and United States. Overall this record is not as varied as I would be used to from a Pumpkins output. Corgan's talented enough that he can incorporate piano, I'm hopeful that this is is the working the kinks out of a new lineup and the next record will take the music further. So far the only two tracks that really stands out to me are That's the Way (My Love Is), Starz, and United States. Overall this record is not as varied as I would be used to from a Pumpkins output. Corgan's talented enough that he can incorporate piano, acoustic, electric, etc. and it seems I'm only hearing one. I'm yet to determine if this continues the trend of more mature themes that Zwan and his solo album pushed. In short I'm enjoying new pumpkins, but I'm waiting for album 2.… Expand
  94. MorrisD.
    Jul 12, 2007
    7
    Not at par with Smashing Pumpkins material up to Adore but a good album in it's own right. Just not exceptional.
  95. ryanm.
    Jul 12, 2007
    9
    This is an amazing and impressive album. The only downside is it displays only one aspect of the band's huge scope of versatility and songwriting. There are hits of what made them so versatile in the first place (the 10 seconds near the end of tarantula) but this is obviously the way they wanted it. It actually goes along with the theme of the album being frustrated by modern This is an amazing and impressive album. The only downside is it displays only one aspect of the band's huge scope of versatility and songwriting. There are hits of what made them so versatile in the first place (the 10 seconds near the end of tarantula) but this is obviously the way they wanted it. It actually goes along with the theme of the album being frustrated by modern america/gov. The pumpkins were always billy and jimmy, as much I respect james, billy wrote and played 95 of everything the pumpkins ever recorded. Obviously Jimmy is the other unique and irreplaceable part of the band.… Expand
  96. MrT
    Jul 12, 2007
    10
    just goes to show how much critics know about whats good...
  97. RamiroS.
    Jul 12, 2007
    10
    best album of 2007!
  98. SheldonR.
    Jul 12, 2007
    1
    Horrible effort. Can't describe the pain I felt in my heart from having to finish listening to this mess. Truly garbage.
  99. Antongiu
    Jul 12, 2007
    5
    I was a huge SP fan, I still listen at the old records and I think I will stick with them as Zeitgeist is pretty average. The SP's soul is definitively missing, it's like B. Corgan took some singing lessons or maybe he is finally happy, but i still wonder where all that beautiful, powerful, depressed and epic songs are gone . I reckon their last record (and masterpiece) is I was a huge SP fan, I still listen at the old records and I think I will stick with them as Zeitgeist is pretty average. The SP's soul is definitively missing, it's like B. Corgan took some singing lessons or maybe he is finally happy, but i still wonder where all that beautiful, powerful, depressed and epic songs are gone . I reckon their last record (and masterpiece) is Mellon Collie, they should have retired since then. This is just an attempt to copy themselves, some bits are quite catchy though, but the overall is letting me down (although they are waaay better than some overhyped new alt rock bands). I'm definitely missing the 90's and the grunge!… Expand
  100. Nicholas)
    Jul 11, 2007
    7
    Not the pumpkins best, but far from their worst (Machina is a horrible album). A worthy comeback.
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Mixed or average reviews - based on 29 Critic Reviews

Critic score distribution:
  1. Positive: 9 out of 29
  2. Mixed: 16 out of 29
  3. Negative: 4 out of 29
  1. Amazon.com
    80
    Overall, Corgan's captivating effort to mine both the spirit of these turbulent times and the soul of his defining band is a smashing success.
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  2. Blender
    60
    Zeitgeist’s orgy of avalanche rhythms, cascading riffs and sky-licking guitar is as grandiose as ever (the solo on "Tarantula" sounds like a nuke hitting a Guitar Center), but the bombast is softened as Corgan reaches out for shame-sharing community.
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  3. New Musical Express (NME)
    50
    It's best treated as a curio in the Smashing Pumpkins' legacy; and for those who grew up on 'Today', '1979' and 'Ava Adore', you're better left with your memories.
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