The Alchemy Index Vols. I and II: Fire and Water Image
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  • Summary: The first of two volumes of EPs produced by their guitarist Teppei Teranishi.
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  1. Positive: 6 out of 12
  2. Negative: 0 out of 12
  1. As a concept album, it's halfway to becoming an amazing cycle. There are a few flaws and the second half of the collection to worry about, but so far, Thrice has produced another stunner.
  2. Their clear evolution in terms of talent and ability is more than evident on songs like Firebreather and The Whaler. Between that and some pretty sweet packaging and liner notes, this is likely their best to date.
  3. Together Fire and Water form one of the most breathtaking albums of the year. [Nov 2007, p.166]
  4. The cleaving of The Alchemy Index into awkward chunks of opera violates a fundamental rule of prog rock: Go all the way out, or don't go at all.
  5. Ridiculous, yes, but to Thrice's credit, wanting to be Deftones (which they attempt here, at length) is a noble endeavour. But the results are still clunky.
  6. Examining classical elements is a novel concept, but spreading that concept throughout four EPs, two double-disc sets, and two record releases does little more than dilute an otherwise strong set of songs.
  7. 40
    There’s nothing like a concept album for faking musical maturity.

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Score distribution:
  1. Positive: 20 out of 23
  2. Mixed: 0 out of 23
  3. Negative: 3 out of 23
  1. Jun 27, 2013
    10
    Exceptional. Conceptually sound, strongly written, tightly preformed. While perhaps not of the same accessibility of its 'Earth/Air' sibling, this is one of the strange and wonderful instances of a concept album coming out in spades. Expand
  2. Nov 28, 2011
    10
    Amazing album. For me it was very memorable, especially lyrically; Dustin keeps writing amazing lyrics that just blow my mind over and over again with every piece they release.
    The hiatus they just announced was truly devastating for me...
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  3. Dec 5, 2011
    10
    I do not believe that Fire and Water is Thrice's best album but its definately no Vheissu. That said, It doesnt deserve the absurdly low rating it has. The fire section of the album is strong and.... explosive, as fire should be; but the album glows on the water section. Digital sea and The Whaler makes are different from anything i've heard before in my life and are both held in high regard. Alchemy index suffers because of the friction created from the 2 different types of sounds used but music lovers of any kind should at least like the water section. Expand
  4. j30
    Sep 28, 2011
    6
    Maybe a little too ambitious and all over the place. I respect what they're trying to do, but as a first time listener it's really hard to get into. I look forward to what they release next. Expand
  5. Nov 21, 2011
    2
    This is one of the most unforgivably awful albums I've had the misfortune of spending money on. Thrice seemed more in love with the idea of releasing a quadruple album reflecting the 4 elements than they were with writing it. This is unfocused, convoluted and fundamentally poor songwriting. "Fire" is loud and monotonous, with a lack of memorable moments. "Water" is drab and boring. Both sections are mediocrity at it's finest, dabbling with two completely different sounds that they themselves have done far better in the past.
    Thrice has always been a band who walks to their own drum, and this time they do it at their own expense. Their decision to self-produce this record was ambitious, and one that was apparently hastily made. Though they hoped to forge new ground, this first installment of the 4 elements project falls decidedly flat.
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